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Unknown
Being able to sit down with an absolute icon, Dr. Temple Grandin, who is world renowned for her impact on animal husbandry, animal science, the production aspects and autism. The author of many books and the focal point of a movie so loved to share her insights or wisdom with you. I just am tickled to be doing this little sit down with Dr. Temple Grandin.
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Unknown
You are an absolute icon in the world that I come from with this regenerative agriculture and building communities. You were recently in Will Harris. This book has given a plug for designing his processing facility. So if if you don't care, will you just give a brief little introduction to what you do and we'll try to figure out some solutions?
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Unknown
Well, I am a professor of animal science at Colorado State University. Work on animal behavior, animal welfare. I have been there for 33 years, and my specialty is I want to find practical solutions, whether it's designing a meat plant or promoting regenerative agriculture. Also, a lot of great change happens. More bottom up. One ranch at a time. And then you write about it.
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Unknown
This is what I did with cattle handling 45 years ago. When I first started was I learned some things about flights on point of balance and I wrote about it, you know, writing about how to do things. And just today, I was reading my MIT Technology Review, and they were talking about implementing policy. So let's say a big policy was made about people having health care.
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Unknown
Well, especially our seniors, we couldn't figure out how to fill out the forms. And so what was done was some local people got together to help seniors in libraries to fill out the forms. You say that's an example of something specific, rather low tech and specific to implement the policy that was done at a local level to help seniors get health care.
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Unknown
You see, that's a much more bottom up approach. They can come into the library that's going to be there and just walk them through the forms. I love the bottom up approach because one thing that has kind of stood out is that it almost seems like we are up against like this Goliath with how things are and to get change.
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Unknown
It takes this small little thing here, small little things, like you said from an individual. We talk about individual parts, ways to educate people who think differently. And I said one school at a time, one school at a time, and then write about how you did it. You see, one of the things I do with my cattle handling stuff years and years ago is I wrote lots and lots of just how to articles, how to handle cattle, how to design corrals, just practical, how to do things.
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Unknown
I didn't hold on to my intellectual property. I let it go. And and I'm with regenerative agriculture. I get the grassland stock, a farmer, and there's good articles in there now on this farm. How did they do it? But one of the problems with the with the stockman grass farmer, it's almost impossible to access online. Those good articles need to be put up online.
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Unknown
Now, of course, they're worried about the print subscriptions will let them get even a year old or six months old and then put them up online. But there's great stuff in that thing. Think I can't even get the title and hit the paywall online? Really? You say that's not doing a very good thing of getting it out there.
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Unknown
I mean, I have a website on Facebook on livestock handling well for I just give the stuff away. I've seen some of it incorporate it into European legislation. I go, Oh, looks like Grantland.com wrote that. So something really good we're doing with grazing, write about it. The one thing I tell people is what works in one locale may not work in another.
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Unknown
It's a very local specific. What it's one is like I'm writing about it. Another thing is little people innovate. Same thing with chat sheep. That was a little tiny company. Little people innovate every field. I don't care what it is. Well, no, the big boys will buy them out. But little people in a. Yeah, that consolidation. First year of buy.
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Unknown
Now what you are on the Jordan Peterson podcast. And one thing that I took away that I thought was absolutely fascinating was how you you describe like this too broad of approach of fixing a problem and not being targeted enough. Yes, I would it as do you have something you believe in the targeting of this regenerative agriculture movement on the smaller side because Dr. Ryan and I believe that this localization is key to getting the regenerative movement to the next step for resilient communities.
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Unknown
So do you have anything that stands out from a targeted approach with with that field? The I do the same thing with the Internet that I did with cattle handling years ago, before there was Internet, right about the farm, all those fantastic articles and that stockman, grass farmer and they're not available online. Write about it in open formats that are easily searchable, explaining how you did things.
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Unknown
This is and with a lot of pictures of before and after pasture. Before pasture after. Okay, then when it's time to rotate the cattle, this is what the patch looked like when we rotated it. And this is what the new pasture looked like. We rotated in lots of pictures because I've trained a lot of people, be welfare auditors for me clients.
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Unknown
And what I've learned is it has to be very simple. The instructions have to be simple and not complicated. That's something else that's really stood out as I've dove into your work and it's you have taken things and made it so simple. I was I was amazed with how you'd done the audit for like McDonald's years ago. But yet the solutions are so massive as far as moving the needle and that's that thing I did in 1999.
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Unknown
I had McDonald's was a pioneer, and then Wendy's came in with a fantastic system a few months later, and Burger King and I had all three of those companies using that audit exactly the same. It worked like magic. Now, the trick is, is what are the critical control points to measure is this is a concept from food safety.
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Unknown
Let's just say I'm going to be doing micro counts in a food processing plant, you know, for for germs basically, I can't measure a hundred things in that plant. I have to figure out what's the top ten places where may be most likely to have contamination. You measured their door handles this one of them and I saw with the meatpacking plants, I had five critical control points that we measured.
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Unknown
Well, first one was when you hang it up on the rail, that shows any sign of consciousness to fail the audit period. Then we did stunning efficacy. You had to shoot 95% unconscious with one shot, a captive bolt. You had to make that number slowing down 1%, slipping a 3% vocalization and a stunning area, three, 3 to 5%.
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Unknown
They had to make the numbers very simple. Electric produce had to be under 25% before it was 500%. They had to make these numbers. It was very simple. Did he yes or no? Did you touch it with the electric prod, yes or no? And then there were six acts of abuse that would be automatic failures. And some people have a hard time believing that you could make that work.
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Unknown
Well, it's sort of like traffic. I like to do an exercise. If you can only enforce three things for traffic safety, only three times what be the three most important things for you to enforce? I often do this with people and then I have them get them. And most people say speeding and red light and stop sign violations.
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Unknown
But I have to push and push and push to get the £800 gorilla which is drunk driving or now it's other ways to be impaired driving. Like I said, wait a minute. You haven't told me the £800 gorilla. It's drunk driving. And I met up with a device speeding, measured with a device, very objective. And then four and five can be seatbelts.
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Unknown
Had seatbelts protect me, but they don't protect you against my horrible driving. That's why they're number four and texting from out of pocket. But you say it's and we can pull phone logs. And if you were typing on the keyboard, were you driving any trouble for that. Yeah, but you see those would be the critical control points. And I could get 95% of my safety probably on the top three.
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Unknown
You see, that's the principle. I love this critical control point and that is then there's very simple. They had to make their numbers. Now, the other thing I did now is working with all three of those companies at the same time is I was not shoving expensive equipment down into those points. I'm very proud. The fact that 75 McDonald's suppliers, great big plants, only three had to buy expensive things.
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Unknown
It was amazing. What repairs stunning was mainly repairs, what non-slip flooring would do, adding some lighting, improving the training of employees, simple stuff like that, fixed most of the plants. We had some kind of old dumps. I got them to work on that. I actually did a great job. Reverse conflict of interest. I had a conflict of interest on expensive equipment.
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Unknown
I've bent over backwards to make whatever facilities they had their work and passed out on it. That's why it worked. I look back on it, almost can't believe I pulled it off, but it was so simple and the plants didn't go berserk because I wasn't shoving millions million dollars worth of stuff down the throat. What do you see we can do for these smaller processors or smaller meat operations to make it more efficient to where they can compete with these big guys?
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Unknown
Or is is that a pipe dream? Don't try to compete with the big guys. That's a mistake. Do what our craft breweries do here in Fort Collins. We have a very, very vibrant craft beer industry here, and they're little tiny pubs with their own non brewing equipment. The right next door is a huge Budweiser plant. They coexist. Use that as the model.
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Unknown
They coexist. Now, if one of those little craft breweries gets into many supermarkets, they'll get on Bud's radar and maybe get bought. But those little breweries co-existed absolutely beautifully in the shadow of a Budweiser plant. And then, of course, plant just done hour 20, some 30 miles away in Boulder. I'm though they coexist local markets. The other thing I'm very interested in I've been looking into these freeze a lot portable meat units and they they start out just as a trailer that you haul around the ranches and slaughter it on the if that doesn't work too expensive.
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Unknown
So what they're doing now is they've got a trailer. You buy that, the slaughter floor, then other trailers, you buy their coolers, another trailer you can get, that's the meat cut up room and you mouth slab permanently and you can build a small processing plant for roughly half the cost. And the other thing that's nice, they legally are trailers, even though even though you take the wheels off of slab and never move them help from a lot of permitting stuff as we have a lot of portable slaughter plants.
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Unknown
And I think for a lot of very small processors, if they want build knows where to go because to build from scratch or bricks and mortar construction will be double the cost and the permitting problems worse, one of my friends has. Yeah, the cost definitely, definitely an advantage there. The mobile processing facilities. I've seen those pop up a little bit.
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Unknown
I don't know that they've they've really caught on, but my friends have mobile and the story about interrupting. I have a problem with the timing. My cell phone population, the mobile doesn't work. The whole trailer around it doesn't work is too expensive. What does work is this is what Friesland is now trying to convert it to is you use these things to build a place that does not move on a concrete slab for roughly half the price of bricks and mortar and a lot less zoning problems.
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Unknown
Because let's say if you went broke, you can sell those trailers, they can be taken off the slab and sold. One thing that we did recently was we bought a a decommissioned refrigerating refrigerated Connex container and so it was insulated. The refrigeration unit didn't work anymore and we converted it into a big what guys on a farmer's market.
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Unknown
So producers is kind of my number one thing, okay. And we converted it the 40 foot container into a walk in cooler, a three stage walk in cooler with cool bots and window units, and it works incredibly. I know that probably wouldn't meet guidelines for well, you know, one you're doing you know for several see these freezer units are on or you know so they're out of the box on federally inspected quality facilities you know now before so in the beginning when the mobile stuff started, they just had this mobile trailer going to hold around the ranches that doesn't work with a cost standpoint.
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Unknown
I was just at a meeting several weeks ago of Animal Park animal welfare training. We met Chris, a sales rep, and he was showing me how now they're making stationary small slaughterhouses out of these modular trailers and you have and there's like three trailers in a typical system. You'd have a slaughter trailer, a refrigerator trailer that's USDA, you know, quality in inside and refrigerated third trailer for meat cut up and processing.
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Unknown
These are mounted permanently. They're mounted on a slab, but legally they are still trailers and they could be moved if they had to be. And so there's like three trailers you buy and you park them on a slab. Maybe you get a fourth trailer for another chiller. And this will enable you to get into a small processing plant, about half the cost of standard bricks and mortar because all modular connected by rail.
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Unknown
But is that how they move? Yeah, they would have to do that. You'd have them connected on, but legally they still are. Trailer So let's say you want broke you could take those units off the slab and sell them. They legally are trailers. That has some advantages because of building bricks and mortar now is getting so expensive. And another problem we've got is we don't have enough young people going to skilled trades to build bricks and mortar.
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Unknown
See, a lot of the people I worked with that built small slaughter plants, they've retired and then you have people trying to build them. They don't know how to build them. And so if I was putting in a small plant now, you know, maybe 15 cattle a day at the most, 30 pigs a day at the most, most, you know, 30 sheep a day at the most.
00:16:05:00 - 00:16:37:04
Unknown
I would go with these Friesland modular units. Now they're going to work out big, but I, I'm really pleased I was seeing that. And we can forget about trying to haul a trailer around the ranches. It just doesn't cost out. We went to a local processor in a very, very small town, and it's really neat what what he's done and put in a little meat market and it's provided like 14 jobs for a community of like 700.
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Unknown
I mean, and that may be bigger than it actually was. What has been eye opening is the opportunity for small communities. But I think the having, you know, laborers or skilled laborers to actually be on that more of like a artesian butcher level is extremely difficult to find. Well, you have to be training people. And and I was just at a Hutchinson Community college yesterday and you know there's and talking to a person who ran a big steel shop on a build a maintenance hangar for Southwest Airlines worked on steel for it and some of the best welders in there were autistic.
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Unknown
And some of the people that brought equipment for me 30 years ago, I can't give up their names because they're not disclosed publicly, but people that built major equipment for me and invented some stuff, they're autistic and they have a bunch of patents. And the problem is, is these kids are just ending up in the basement today and they ought to be out building things and doing things.
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Unknown
So getting into regenerative agriculture is something I think they need to get into. I love that the the school system doesn't seem to be doing any any trades that I'm aware of. Let's fix things one school at a time. And then as I've talked about before, the system crashed, we write about how to do it, what they believe they're right.
00:18:09:00 - 00:18:30:12
Unknown
A lot of how to articles have done the same thing with autism. I had a mom come up to me yesterday and we were hugging each other and she said, Well, my kid is doing so well. He's got a family now on because they did some of the stuff I recommended in my books, get the kid out doing things, and I write how to stuff like how to work with little kids with autism.
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Unknown
That's for basically critical control points for three year olds. I want speech. I want them to learn how to wait and take turns. Little games and skills like crushing and you should be getting progress and the child should love going to therapy. Then you know you've got a good prime stat sample, You're got a good program at autism one hour a week, not sufficient for a three year old.
00:18:53:17 - 00:19:27:00
Unknown
I'll also tell them that they got to have more. I don't think that's sufficient for really any of us to to learn or overcome anything. For me, it's, you know, the ADHD symptoms are bad and I've dove into, you know, diet and nutrition a lot and different, you know, tools to try to help. You know, I have a family with autism that we have gone through and, you know, just looking back as as it's played out, you can see where we we have made a lot of mistakes in not understanding, not being able to apply things.
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Unknown
And I think your work is is incredible. And I just I'm I'm thoroughly amazed at how you have taken this complex. It's a complexity of things in life and make it so simple to be applied. And I think that is just I'm just in all every time I see do that well and then I write it up and I have a I have a little book now on autism.
00:19:53:09 - 00:20:11:15
Unknown
An education is not a very thick book. It's only about this thick. But parents really love that little book because they they don't want to be some big, complicated thing. I, I, somebody gave me this giant textbook like that at a conference. I left it in hotel room. I said, you show this to a parent, they're going to use it for doorstop.
00:20:11:17 - 00:20:37:16
Unknown
They wouldn't know even where to start. It's too complicated. So where where is that first start? Do you see for us to get back into the trade? So if I'm going to go back to, you know, not all the marketing. Well, one of the things is, is my new book, Visual Thinking. Love It. It's discussed here and I'm getting it distributed around and I talk about it online a lot.
00:20:37:18 - 00:20:59:11
Unknown
Visual thinking, the hidden gifts of people. They get pictures, patterns and war and abstractions. The other thing I did here, my peers did in this book, I took all my I took all 50 years, my best papers, and I put them I put them in this book. I don't want words appearing backwards. I don't have that one. I will get it older.
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Unknown
You they both appear backwards. Okay. When I hold this up here, hopefully they don't appear backwards to you. Now. They don't. They're perfect. Tell me about you specifically. The I know this is kind of the publisher decided to make it a big pricey textbook, but most of those papers are available online. They're just not all in one place.
00:21:21:09 - 00:21:46:05
Unknown
I've paid a lot of money to get stuff published. Open access. I mean, they charge for it. And most of the stuff actually in this book is either on Grantland.com or went to Grantland.com. They just won't be compiled together, right? Yeah, No. And I'm in the convenience and saving time. I mean, it's worth spending the money to have it packaged for you to make it easier and more accessible.
00:21:46:10 - 00:22:15:16
Unknown
Tell me about the one, the book that you were out ordered at this morning, the book that you wrote specifically for kids to do experiments in experience. That's this one right here. This is calling All Minds. That's my kids project book, because I talked to the other person that did the steelwork Southwest Airlines, and I said, we've got to get kids interested in building things.
00:22:15:16 - 00:22:43:05
Unknown
Young. Obviously, I'm not going to have eight year olds doing welding, but I'm finding that projects in here like a paper airplanes, well, simplest paper airplane that when I did a book signing for this, that about 25% or so of the kids in suburban Denver had not ever made a paper airplane. I had a girl in my class last semester who had never used a roller.
00:22:43:07 - 00:23:06:14
Unknown
We've got kids today totally removed from the world of the practical. So we've got to start out with getting little kids, making things out of cardboard. And in my book, Calling All Minds, I've got little kites and parachutes. I'm just a kid that I spent hours tinkering with and stiffening the wings with adhesive tape and and experimenting with them.
00:23:06:16 - 00:23:27:12
Unknown
And kids aren't doing those sort of things. So I was using tools in second grade. HAMMER pliers and a screwdriver. Most parties from save a little saw I had in fifth grade hands off, and I had a drill that you could turn like an egg beater. I remember playing with one of those old drills that my grandpa had.
00:23:27:12 - 00:23:46:01
Unknown
That was that. That's memories. I love doing that. When you talk about experiencing such a wide range of things, I think back to I had Grandpa that raised broiler chickens, one that raised mama cows did. Hey, I did real estate, I worked EMS and worked on a pipeline and now I sell tomatoes on the side of the road.
00:23:46:01 - 00:24:09:07
Unknown
But I can pull different things from all of these different experiences that have added value. And what I refer to all these different, you know, latitudes is a latticework of mental models. It's something that, you know, I play with and see how things are connected that, you know, a lot of people can't see. See those all over the visual thinker.
00:24:09:07 - 00:24:38:14
Unknown
I'm what's called an object visualizer. Everything. I think about a picture, you know, then you have more mathematical minds thinking more linear, more on patterns. And I have word thinkers which are top down, really linear. Now my thinking is associative thinking, so I can see connections between things that might not be obvious, connections, but when I explain them, then they are obvious on okay, I just thought of the word peacock right now.
00:24:38:16 - 00:25:00:08
Unknown
So now I'm seeing a peacock that somebody had in their backyard. And now I'm saying from the fifties, the old peacock emblem for the TV network. Yes. And now it reminds me of my little children's paint set, a little watercolor paint set that had little patterns of paint me. And you used you only had a glass of water to use.
00:25:00:08 - 00:25:27:20
Unknown
Wasn't okay. So now how did Peacock get the paint set? Now there's a logic there when I explain it. You see that associative thinking, because as they add, that is all of the peacock would show up for the on the on the early color TV's. It reminded me of the little pans of paint and my little paint set that are different colors.
00:25:27:22 - 00:25:53:01
Unknown
I get it completely. I've, I have found that it has made it very difficult for me in communicating at times because these associations that I don't know if they only make sense to me or if, you know, if something that were I can't explain or should explain, I guess. Well, the other thing I've tried to I've been in the cattle involved cattle issue for 50 years.
00:25:53:03 - 00:26:20:19
Unknown
And so I wrote this paper here grazing cattle, sheep and goats is an important part of a sustainable agricultural future. And a lot of people are bashing cattle, is wrecking the environment. Well, what people forget is 20% of our land in the whole world that's habitable can only be used for grazing. There is not enough water for crops, there's not enough water from the sky and rain and there's not enough water in the ground.
00:26:20:19 - 00:26:41:16
Unknown
You will just deplete the aquifer. And if you do grazing right, we were drought, you know, with rotational growth grazing, you can improve the land, you can sequester some carbon. I'm I see a really good future for the grazers also using animals like goats for fire control. You know eat up different kinds of shrubbery. I found a number of papers on that.
00:26:41:16 - 00:27:07:22
Unknown
This is free access. It's in the Grandin papers, but it's also free online on it. I, I thought I've been interested for a long time and regenerative grazing. That's one of the bright spots in the future for animal ag. And so what I did there is I reviewed all the papers I could find on grassland regenerative grazing, but then also grazing cover crops.
00:27:07:22 - 00:27:26:17
Unknown
Okay, So the people that are growing corn and soy every third year should do a cover crop and you should be grazing that cover crop with grazing animals. We need to get the crops and the animals back together. I've been doing some consulting with Costco. I do have to have the disclaimer that they are paying for to graduate students to go to school.
00:27:26:19 - 00:27:51:23
Unknown
I will disclose that. But one of the things we're working on right now is, okay, you have a chicken farm in Nebraska and the and the farm is also growing corn and soy. Okay. Fertilize that ground with chicken minora. You're going have a lot less in getting into the water supply, artificial for a lot of end going into the water really bad and and then they do have a cover crop and bring some cattle and graze the cover crop.
00:27:52:00 - 00:28:17:13
Unknown
So you have all the traditional cash crop, corn and soy broiler chickens and cattle or maybe sheep all together in something you're making much more sustainable and it's something practical. The other thing that someone I talked to one night lady that had a chicken farm and this consultant came out and said, We need to get a cement mixer and mix 50 different kinds of seeds for your cover crop.
00:28:17:15 - 00:28:41:23
Unknown
And I'm going, Don't start a beginner on something that complicated. How about some weight? Let's start out simple or a pre-mixed seed. She just has to dump it in Cedar. Don't start beginners out on complicated stuff. Now you have lucky with the wheat you can graze that wheat before it heads out. That's grass fed. It doesn't grow the grain.
00:28:42:01 - 00:29:02:17
Unknown
Then you can let it grow and get a crop of wheat out of it. Now that's really cool. But there's been I love I love how people innovate and I'm a big company like Costco. It'll be one farmer at a time. And then we write about it that we write. But I love it about it's really important. So let's say the same thing with school.
00:29:02:17 - 00:29:25:05
Unknown
We do an innovative program at a school and then you write about just how to do it, leave the politics out, just write about how to do it. I love the temple template for education. It's I think it's beautiful and something that I'm going to definitely take away from here and start trying to apply much, much better thing.
00:29:25:07 - 00:29:52:13
Unknown
I offer a lot of things that I do a lot on your head is, let's say when you're fully verbal, autistic kids take if they're visual thinker, are they going to be the art, mechanical animals or photography and one thing I'm very worried about in art, in animation is going to take that over. But the one place where your kid's going to be safe from anything hands on, okay, I just want the hydrogen community college.
00:29:52:19 - 00:30:17:16
Unknown
They just expanded their nursing program. That's not going to get taken over by anything, you know, But some of the stuff with there's some artwork and graphic stuff, I think that will get taken over and there's some low level programing that's going to get taken over. I'm watching, but I think anything it's hands on is safe. Hands on is safe.
00:30:17:18 - 00:30:39:10
Unknown
Obviously, we got to get back to for for the local economy is building that up. It's it's got to be more of that hands on focus. So thank you. Thank you for your time. I am I'm just tickled. I've appreciated your work and diving in. I'm going to do so much more. I cannot wait to get the experience book for my kids.
00:30:39:10 - 00:31:01:17
Unknown
I've got four of them and just to play another was called The Outdoor Scientist, which is sort of the same kind of book, but it emphasized watching animal behavior, looking at stars, looking at plants as they grow. I can't wait and so have for scientist and calling all lines. And we've got more mental health problems now in kids.
00:31:01:23 - 00:31:20:22
Unknown
I'm not suggesting that they stop doing things online, but we need to reduce it a whole lot. People need to be doing more real things with real people. And I had a mom call me the other day. Our daughter was all kind of depressed and liked art, and I said, Why don't you get her an art class where she can have friends with the art class?
00:31:21:00 - 00:32:01:01
Unknown
Okay, See, I just see it. Well, you did the one. Before we jump off here, one more thing that I heard you discuss once, but I think it's worth going into one another time. The light, the artificial light effects on, I think all of us, but especially with somebody with like ADHD or autism or some something else going on that stimulus, can you explain what you did with, you know, filming it and what that is doing to to our mind, I have to give credit to a lighting contractor that came up to me at a conference at a book table, and he whipped this phone out, plain old ordinary phone, and we filmed the place
00:32:01:01 - 00:32:24:12
Unknown
we were at with slow motion video, just regular, slow motion, not ultra, just regular. And you can find which LED lights flicker. Now, that's not a problem for me. It doesn't bother me. But for some people that are autistic, maybe a head injury, ADHD, sensory processing disorder, whatever, they can see that flicker on lit light and it just drives you crazy.
00:32:24:14 - 00:32:51:08
Unknown
And you need to find LEDs that do not flicker. Also, some TV monitors like what I'm on right now, a flicker. It has a refresh rate to swap on. We got to get away from that flicker and there's ways to do it economically. Let's say you're stuck in a classroom. They've got horrible ceiling lights, a flicker. What you need to do is buy a lamp, go delight store with your phone, filming the different lights.
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Find one that does not flicker that you like. Put it in the lamp next to your desk and it should be really bright. So blot out the horrible LEDs on the ceiling and maybe wear a hat. But you see that something simple that could be done. Now, if the classroom has windows, I want that student over by the windows.
00:33:08:19 - 00:33:34:05
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That will help you see, I'm seeing it. I actually seeing my old elementary school classroom. I had big windows on. But that's something simple. You know, we have concepts like an inclusive classroom room. Well, now how do you implement that? All right. Let's look at some critical control points here. I want to fix the lighting because I'm going to I'm going to guess it's going to affect 10 to 20% of the special ed population.
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The other thing I want to work on, the bullying problem. We've got to get bullying under control. The third thing I want to work on is pilot checklist type instructions for things involving sequence. I have a horrible working memory, so give me a pilot's checklist of the steps. And if they think that's stupid, just remind them that the FFA requires the pilots to do it every single flight.
00:33:59:00 - 00:34:24:05
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And just the other day we had a cold snap. They backed the plane up. They did the checklist. I go, wait a minute, checklist has taken too long. We haven't turned yet a frozen fuel valve. That plane went to the hangar. Oh, wow. You see that? They were doing the checklist? Yeah. There's a book, The Checklist Manifesto, that really was eye opening for for me.
00:34:24:07 - 00:34:44:12
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All right. Well, thank you. Again. We have we have a heart out. I am so sorry. I wish this could go on forever. Thank you. Thank you for your kindness of jumping on and all the work you put out. You no doubt have a servant's heart and I just appreciate you immensely. Okay. Well, thank you all. I'm going to.
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